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Multitouch Display: testing LCD screen panel for FTIR

Quite a long time has passed since I did something more for my multitouch display. My last post on this topic was on November!

Unfortunately I did not any progress basically because I don't own a projector, so, everytime I should ask to someone to lend me a projector then I have limited time to do some tests with it. This is not exactly comfortable especially because I have very limited spare time and quite never in consecutive days.

So, in the last months, I was thinking more often that it would be nice to achieve the goal to use an LCD instead of a projected screen.....and I started to do it!

multitouch-lcd-test-main.jpgTo be honest, I thought about using an LCD for a multitouch display since the very first moment. Infact, when I bought the webcam, the Fire-i from Unibrain, I bought also a wide angle, non IR coated lenses for the cam. This was exactly because I thought that, if all things worked out I could try with LCD and use the wide angle lenses to have a short distance beetween the camera and the display itself.

Ok, I was a little bit optimist at the first time but....at the end of the game it was definitively good!

multitouch-lcd-test-monitor.jpgSome days ago, at work, I was speaking with a great new colleague, Pietro, who read this blog and discovered all the works that I've done at home. I was very pleased to talk with him illustrating all the hints and techniques used with the multitouch display. Then I said "yes but I don't have a projector, actually I'm thinking about to buy an old used 14" LCD on eBay to sacrifce for the experiment". He had a great answer: "I have one abandoned in my cellar, I may give it to you"!!!

He was so gentle to give me this great LCD monitor for free!
G R A Z I E   P I E T R O  ! ! !

So, last weekend, I started to disassemble the monitor to get out the bare LCD panel and test it with the infrared camera and the IR LEDs.

I was really surprised of how many pieces there were in the monitor! Kilos of screws, panels, the speakers in the basement, plastic covers and supports...

multitouch-lcd-test-disassembling.jpgIt took me more than two hours to fully disassemble it, especially because I didn't wanted to break something so I was very gentle trying to have a safe and, hopefully reversible, disassembling. At the end I had the bare LCD monitor panel and a little fear that this was a non-return point because I already forgot how to reassemble the monitor :o)

multitouch-lcd-test-bare-lcd-panel.jpgOf course the first step was to carefully inspect the backlight complex and its filters to understand what needed I needed to remove in order to have a monitor transparent to IR but not so transparent to the visible light (I need the backlight anyway to see the monitor image!).

I think I was really lucky because I needed to remove only the reflective white sheet that was in the back of the backlight, I kept the Fresnel lens and the diffuser. If I will have time I'll post some pictures of those layers for those of you that wants to understand exactly what I'm talking about.

Then I immediately put the LCD panel on the desk (keeping it vertical by two Fonera boxes :o). I reconnected all the electronics, double-checking the connections in order to be sure not to burn out the monitor on the first test. But, very soon, I realized that, even if the panel worked out, I could have a serious problem.

The problem is in the Flat Flex Cable (FFC) that is connecting the board on the right side of the display with the board on the bottom side. It is really too short and requires that both boards sits in the back of the panel, without the possibility to bend the boards out to free the view of the entire display surface from the back.

multitouch-lcd-test-short-FFC.jpgAnyway, I didn't care at that moment and switched on the monitor....all ok, it was still working!
Then, second test, I put the IR webcam on the back of the LCD and tested the IR remote of the TV: wow, I saw its IR light!

In addition the LCD didn't lost too much brightness with the removal of the reflective white sheet and the image was still clearly visible.

multitouch-lcd-test-front.jpgMy last test was with a couple of spare Osram SFH485P IR LEDs that I had from my first multitouch: all ok, I was able to see very very clearly them by the webcam through the LCD display and I was able also to see the IR light reflected by my fingers. I took this as the definitive evidence that this setup could work greatly.

So, scared by the risk to break the very thin and delicate LCD panel, I put it apart in a safe place. I started to think about a good box to hold all the things together safely and steadily.

While brainstorming for the box, I found a great site that was selling spare parts for video projector and.....YES! On that magic site I found the right FFC extension! So the problem was solved!

I hope to post some news on this exciting new adventure very soon!

Stay tuned!




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12 Comments




Alexon da Silva Moreira said:

the English sorry, I am using a translator!

is to make the LCD monitor touch screen without opening it?

There I am Brazilian and I live in Brazil! If one day want to come and meet the passer Brazil will be welcome in my home!





Odik said:

Hi there. Thanks for the great blog, and especially for the multitouch project, but i didn't get 2 things. First one - in this setup where did you place the LEDs? and second - about FFC, do you need to replace it with another one that you linked as a magic site? :) Thanks





BlaXwan Author Profile Page said:

@Odik,
thanks! In the LCD setup I haven't yet placed any infrared light source, actually I'm waiting to setup a new IR laser for it. Yes, I had to extend the FFC with an extension that I got from the "magic" site, you can see it in the picture but I'll highlight it in a future post.





Odik said:

So does it work as a multitouch or its still just an LCD screen?





BlaXwan Author Profile Page said:

@Odik
Correct, actually it is "just" a common LCD screen :o)





Cassio said:

Hi.You have a great blog and love for the multitouch project. I have a question, you are trying to change the LCD to an LCD FTIR right? ... I have an old laptop and I would like to give some utility to the laptop, it is possible I put some LED IR aside and a Webcam without the design below the LCD?
good ... if it were possible in your next project try to do something similar to what you said.
And one more time you have a great blog





Cassio said:

did you remove the backlight or background?





BlaXwan Author Profile Page said:

@Cassio
Thanks a lot!
Basically it is possible to use any LCD screen. Regarding a laptop one, you have to mind that you need to put a webcam on its back that needs to see the entire screen, so basically it would not fit in the original LCD case. In my setup I removed just the last LCD background layer which is a thin layer of white reflective plastic. I kept the original LCD backlight that stands just in the upper and lower side of the LCD itself.





igor said:

Hi there!
great job!
is it possible to attach a webcam on the upper part of the plexiglass sheet, protruding it 15cm in the fron part and making recognize an irregular rectangle (trapezoid) so putting behind wouldn't be necessary at all?

being on the top side the fingers wouldn't cast a shadow

what would be the issue?
resolution? precision? could we live by it, still having a slim device without a box in the back part?

is it possible to mount two webcams, to compensate for precision? is there a software to translate that? or who could make such?

IMHO the back-box is clumsy, so what do you think about a webcam reading irregular rectangle surfaces (or two webcams on the side)

or is it simply impossible?

thanks in advance

igor





cassio said:

Hello

What is happening in your blog? Never more public you new things! I have been waiting to finish your last project of lcd but nothing has been happening here.

my length and hope that you continue to publish new things around here.





Aboud said:

I have a camera "Deluxe Classic Cam 2.1 MP", I opened it, and pull out its LCD.

I am asking how can I run the LCD of the camera, without connecting it to the camera, for example, if I want to connect it to an RGB wire and provide it its required power...

Regards





Cracker said:

Great idea, but will this work over the long run?


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